Tuesday, November 11, 2008

Keith Olbermann on California's Proposition 8

This is so beautifully said.


Thank you, Keith Olbermann (and MSNBC), for stating this so eloquently and thoughtfully.
at 6:43 PM
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8 comments:

  1. KätheNovember 11, 2008 at 7:43 PM

    This is beautiful.

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  2. TerogNovember 11, 2008 at 8:22 PM

    Very heartfelt... I do have to be contrary on one thing though. I disagree with comparisons between issues in the LBGT community and slavery and racism. There are some common themes but it is not the same thing. It just isn't. They would better compare it to the women's suffrage movement--it's not as emotionally stirring as slavery and racism but I think it is a more accurate historical comparison.

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  3. Teresa @ good-graceNovember 11, 2008 at 10:17 PM

    IP - I see what you're saying. Although I didn't take it as a comparing it to slavery ... I think he was making a point stating that not too long ago, in our sad history of slavery, African-Amerians were also denied the right to be married (if they were slaves). I took it as making a pointed observation about how ass backwards our wonderful country has been at moments.

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  4. TerogNovember 12, 2008 at 5:51 PM

    GG: Your response has me thinking about my reflexive annoyance of any group's modern struggle being compared with slavery. There are some deep thoughts in there about claiming a superior status among the victims of oppression/prejudice/religiously justified hatred...etc, but for now just wanted to let you know that it was interesting and insightful to hear how someone else hears those comparisons.

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  5. Teresa @ good-graceNovember 13, 2008 at 7:44 PM

    IP - I've been thinking about your 1st reply ~ I do think you have a very valid point, so I hope you didn't think I was "pooh-poohing" you. I agree with you about taking issue with "any group's modern struggle being compared with slavery".

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  6. TerogNovember 17, 2008 at 9:24 PM

    No worries, I didn't think you were pooh-poohing me. I take your point because you see it differently than I do and your point was valid.

    We had a big rally over the weekend against Prop 8 in the city and it annoyed me to see signs that said that gay is the new black. It's not. It's not being tricked or kidnapped from your country of origin, denied status as even a person, managed, bought, and sold like livestock, forbidden from being educated, Jim Crow, separate-but-equal, forced integration...it's not any of these things. If you can use the term 'coming out' because no one would otherwise know who you chose to love, then it isn't the same as having someone reflexively react to the hue of your skin, something you could never hide, even if you wanted to. I don't want my rant to be mistaken as an opinion for or against gay marriage. It is simply, and only a very long, rambling, and strident objection to comparisons to slavery and the journey from there to present day. Some parallels can be drawn but you can't really say that one equals the other. No one is turning fire hoses on these demonstrations, letting dogs loose on them, arresting and/or beating them. It's just not the same thing...

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  7. TerogNovember 18, 2008 at 8:30 PM

    Just wanted to let you know I'm not feeling as militant today. I was so focused on what it isn't that I've forgotten what it is; unfortunate. I promise no more comments on this particular post. :-)

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  8. Teresa @ good-graceDecember 6, 2008 at 6:12 PM

    IP - I liked each and every one of the comments you posted here. Your "militant" one was spot on; spoken from the heart and said with exacting strength and conviction. And rightly so.

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